[DeTomaso] [NPC] Big dollars at BJ auction

Sat Jan 27 09:40:22 EST 2007

Jim,

  I was so close, at least on the US cars.   I navigated the Ford maze and actually got to the right people, through an exec, to where the records had been kept.  However, I was told that they were destroyed once their "expriation" moment arrived.  This was only a few years ago.  I had thought I would be able to present them to the club during the Vegas Rally about 3-4 years ago, but was about 5 years late in my quest.  

  I also pursued a source all the way to Ms. DeTomaso, but the response seems that the family would like to let the matter go quietly in the night...

  With the lack of a concerted effort to document cars by owners and clubs, I don't see much hope in achieving this goal.  

  Scott 

Jim Gray <jimgray at cableone.net> wrote:
  So, how do we do that, Scott? The factory is closed, Ford is not helpful, 
and Far too many owners refuse to join the registry for reasons known only 
to them.

Jim Gray
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "scott black" 
To: "Mad Dog Antenucci" ; "Donny Williams" 
; "Charles Engles" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [NPC] Big dollars at BJ auction

>
> Rarity is one of the primary drivers of value. Until the total number of 
> Panteras bult can be officially documented, the cars will suffer in resale 
> price. A range, approximate, etc., will not due. "One of fourteen", etc. 
> is a common statement with muscle cars, Ferrari's, etc.
>
> Verifying, or at least establishing a pegged number is the single most 
> important item that will boost the values of the cars.
>
> Scott Black
>
>
>
> Mad Dog Antenucci wrote:
> Thesis my ass! ;-]> Okay I agree with whatever you and Doc meant.
> MD
>
> Donny Williams wrote:
> Chuck you pretty much hit the nail on the head and finished the chapter of
> my thesis! Hahahaha!
>
> Donny
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles Engles"
> To: "Donny Williams"
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [NPC] Big dollars at BJ auction
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>
>> Dear Donny,
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>>> "For that reason, I theorize most car guys simply just did not grow up
>>> around them (I am an exception, as many of us owners today are, and that
>>> is why I have one now). A Pantera is not like having had two of your
>>> neighbors who had 427 Vettes when you were riding your bike around the
>>> street. Or Billy who had that LS-1 Chevelle, Cuda, Challenger, Camaro,
>>> in High School that went claimed undeafeted street fighting it. A
>>> Pantera was never regular running down a Cuda or a Ram Air 4 GTO down
>>> Woodward avenue. Pantera's were never parked at the Malt shops with Shoe
>>> Box Chevy's..... So it is my theory the Pantera was clearly absent the
>>> exposure of what people grew up around for the most part, and has pretty
>>> much kept the car in the dark through the ages. People in the market
>>> for exotic likely wanted the status of a Ferrari, or Porche, rather then
>>> a newer unknown mark for less money at the time. That still may hold
>>> true today."
>>
>>
>> $$$$$$$$ You have an interesting observation. It may be a significant
>> factor that is often overlooked in the standard explanation for the lower
>> valuation of the Pantera vis a vis Ferraris, Shelbys, Porsche, etc. The
>> standard review is that the Pantera isn't in that ball park because: 1)
>> no racing heritage nor wins 2) no pedigree 3) [I can't remember the
>> other ones!] Anyhow, if there was never a social context in America
>> where a critical mass of young males perceived them to be desireable over
>> other cars, then as time goes on......Hemi Cudas and Corvettes and GT350
>> go up, while the unknown and unappreciated Pantera languishes. The
>> other observation, that at the time, they were relatively expensive and
>> were much less common than the other 70s muscle cars supports their
>> absence from the "scene" or the "street" where GTOs, Corvettes, Cudas and
>> Camaros made their reputations.
>> Whatever the socio-cultural-psycho-economic
>> {BS}phenomenon one considers, the Pantera is *still* my favorite car and 
>> I
>> intend to keep mine for a good long while.
>>
>> Gitcher motor runnin', Chuck Engles
>>
>>
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