[DeTomaso] Evacuating the AC, Freon & F*rts - NPC

[John Bentley (jab)]

Gezus Dave.  You've been around long enough to know that science is not
allowed on this list! ;)

JB - the sky is falling.....

 

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On Behalf Of David & Marilyn Bell
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:46 PM
To: Will Kooiman; rgranchelli at esedona.net; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Evacuating the AC, Freon & F*rts - NPC

I think you guys are mixing up chlorine and chlorides.  Chlorides are
compounds which contain chlorine and some metal (sodium, mercury,
silver,
etc.).  The generic chemical term for chlorides is 'salts'.  The main
chlorides present in seawater are sodium chloride (table salt or
'halite')
and potassium chloride (often used as a table salt substitute) - which
is
why seawater tastes salty.  When seawater evaporates, chlorine is not
released as a free gas (that is definitely a very good thing as chlorine
gas
is deadly).  Instead, the concentration of dissolved solids (mainly
chlorides) merely increases so the water just becomes 'saltier' as more
and
more water molecules vaporize.  Relatively quickly the expensive fish in
your salt-water aquarium will start to die.  Eventually, with extreme
evaporation the remaining water becomes completely saturated with
chlorides
(the solution basically can't support any more) and the salts will begin
to
precipitate out as solids - which is where Great Salt Lake, Death Valley
and
Dead Sea mineral deposits come from.  Geology 101.

But I agree that a mixture of chlorine gas and falling farts would be a
horrible way to die.


Dave Bell

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
[mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On
Behalf Of Will Kooiman
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:44 PM
To: rgranchelli at esedona.net; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Evacuating the AC, Freon & F*rts - NPC

He makes a good argument, but I don't buy all of it.  In particular...

Here's a site that explains how Freon can move into the atmosphere:
http://www.so.wustl.edu/science_outreach/curriculum/ozone/info/stratosph
ere/
myths/heavier.html

Who's right?  I don't know.

There are multiple sites that support the idea that only fresh water
evaporates.  One of the best, though, is the company "Red Sea Salt".
They
provide salt for aquariums.  They pump water out of the Red Sea into
holding
tanks.  They let the water evaporate, and sell the salt that remains
behind.
Of course, it's possible that some of the chlorides make it into the
atmosphere.  It can't be the salts.  They're heavier than air.

Will.

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On
Behalf Of rgranchelli at esedona.net
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:58 PM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Evacuating the AC, Freon & F*rts - NPC

It is widely recognized that the banning of freon specifically R12 has
everything to do with Duponts patent expiring and little to do with
anything else.

http://www.usiap.org/Viewpoints/Nation/Environment/OzoneAndFreonFraud.ht
ml
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