[DeTomaso] 10 qt Oil Pan-long
JDeRyke at aol.com
JDeRyke at aol.com
Thu Feb 1 15:06:37 EST 2007
What I think I know: when Boss engines came out in the very late '60s, Ford
found that with the rpm capabilities from mechanical cams, oil didn't drain
back fast enough into the pans through the two tiny return ports in each
Cleveland head, holding much of the oil up top and running the pan momentarily dry.
MIke Cook once mentioned that some 3-1/2 qts of oil might be up top at high
rpms, leaving only 1-1/2 qts in the pan for the crank. So the typical factory
response- don't-spend-any-real-money-to-fix-it was to recommend overfilling the
std pan by a quart- thus a stock '5-quart' pan got 6 qts, and rod throwing
lessened. Note there are three different possible "stock" Ford pans for a 351C, all
holding the exact same volume of oil.
When enlarged 8-qt pans for the 351C in a Pantera showed up, the 'std
overfill' for high rpm use became 10 quarts. FWIW, I've always run 8-1/2 qts in our
17-yr-old 6500-rpm-limit engine- lately, with a remote filter & oil-to-water
heat exchanger with remote oil thermostat, all plumbed with dash-6 lines. The
stock dipstick shows "full" under these conditions.
As for the dipstick- initially, Panteras got std front-engine Mustang
dipsticks, but since one has to remove the engine screen and grope around far up at
the front of the engine to find & return a front-mount stick, owners simply
weren't checking their oil, and warranty costs increased. So Ford did a change to
braze-modify Mustang sticks and add a tubing guide so rear access for oil
checking was easier- hence the first TSB (May '72- bulletin 1, article 4) that
adds a long flexible dipstick. Some of the first few modified sticks (done by an
unnamed outside contractor) were done to the wrong length and installed in
some Panteras, so a second TSB (March '73- bulletin 5, article 34) specifies
exactly 38 inches tip-to-stop. Also, occasionally one of the braze-modified
sticks breaks from vibration and unskilled gas station mechanics "fix" it- to the
wrong length.
One wrong-length stick with a really sloppy braze-job (so I think it was l
ocally repaired) showed up in a Nor-Cal Pantera some time ago and caused much
yelling & arm-waving between the owner and a local engine builder before they
thought to check the length- which was way-short. The poor engine had 10 qts of
oil in a stock pan, and all the seals were leaking!
Finally, since all Pantera-specific "big pans" only extend the sump
horizontally and do not lower it, std 38" dipsticks are inherently calibrated- not by
1-qt/2-qt volumes but by 'low' and 'full'. Cheers- J DeRyke
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