[DeTomaso] Intake Manifolds

Fri Nov 3 10:25:14 EST 2006

Ahhhh Ron Who????  Oh, its you Ron....was wondering if you would catch on, 
and I would get a responce back out of you Mister AWOL.......My license 
plate frame on my Red Panteta reads "The Man who sold the world"........ 
Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of taste, hope you guess my 
name, its just the nature of my game.....................

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronald Larsen" <ronzolarsen at hotmail.com>
To: <donnylee at ccwebster.net>; <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>; 
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Intake Manifolds

>
> Why is it Donny, that every time I'm around you the air smells like 
> SULPHUR ..... maybe I'll start referring to you as " Donny  Devil " ( hee, 
> hee .. grin .. )
>
> Later, Ron ..
>
>
>>From: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>
>>To: "Daniel C Jones" <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>,<detomaso at realbig.com>
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Intake Manifolds
>>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:45:27 -0800
>>
>>The only non imperical input I can offer, is that I currently run a Strip 
>>Dominator on some CC iron heads that flow 305CFM @ 600lift on a 4inch 
>>bore. 626 Solid roller... It is wicked strong from 3600-7000 RPM.  I ran 
>>this intake with a much milder cam on my old engine and it was every bit 
>>as good on the bottom as the POS dual plane Performer I took off that 
>>started weezing at 5000 RPM.
>>
>>That said, I bracket race another brand.  My findings on intake swaps 
>>between known tested reviewed good aftermarket intakes is there is just 
>>not that much on the table.  The only real data I would conclude from is 
>>the same engine, same dyno, same day tests...........If that is what your 
>>measuring a decision on.
>>
>>My obeservation on the intakes being discussed (Funnel Web-Blue Thunder 
>>etc) for the Cleveland is that most of them are clearly patterned after 
>>the Strip Dominator, give or take some minor port size changes, and some 
>>newer voodoo down in the runners.  They appear hair splitting simular. 
>>The Strip Dominator can be updated anyway you want with a port stuffer 
>>kit.....and modyfying runners with epoxy or a grinder.   I believe these 
>>others are patterned after the Strip Dominator for a good reason.  In its 
>>time it was legendary and proven, there was not a better performing intake 
>>made for the Cleveland.
>>
>>To this non emperical end, what I am suggesting short of the fancy 
>>alumunum heads that require a special intake to match them, buy a used 
>>Strip Dominator, you will not only save alot of money, but will like the 
>>performance it offers for a street car. If we were running a top fuel 
>>dragster some of this hair splitting would be more meaningful....... If 
>>you want every last inch of power or torque out of an intake..simply 
>>modify it to your liking....
>>
>>I think Ron Larsen is still licking his ass for selling me his Strip 
>>Dominator..............It was one of the better bang for $150 I ever 
>>spent.............And that is why I am reccomending it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel C Jones" 
>><daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
>>To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:53 AM
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Intake Manifolds
>>
>>
>>>>How might the Parker Funnelweb fit into this.
>>>
>>>The Funnelweb is a reduced port cross section designed to be used with a
>>>set of matching cylinder head port stuffers that both raise the intake 
>>>port
>>>floors and narrow the ports.  Theoretically, that will allow the engine 
>>>to
>>>have a wider torque band that the Strip Dominator.
>>>
>>>>This article (may not have been a fair test?) showed that it 
>>>>outperformed
>>>>the Strip Dominator over 4,000 RPM:
>>>
>>>Notice the Funnelweb is taller than the Strip Dominator.  One of the guys
>>>on the Cleveland forum presented the results of a test with several of
>>>the Aussie intakes and a Strip Dominator.  The results followed intake
>>>manifold height with the tallest intake making the best peak power.
>>>IIRC, the spread was not as large as in the FrodMuscle test.  It's 
>>>possible
>>>that a 2" carb spacer on a Strip Dominator would make up much of the
>>>difference, at least on the top end.  Be aware that Terry made several
>>>iterations of the Funnelweb.  Presumably the later versions are better.
>>>
>>>>I'm interested in trying a FunnelWeb 4V on my A3 heads.  It looks like
>>>>it's shaped like a Roush A331 with A3 sized ports.
>>>
>>>The ports are somehwat less wide than A3.  I know someone who has one
>>>and might be able to get the port info from him, if you'd like.
>>>
>>>>The dyno session I want to do is my engine (stock 351C short block,
>>>>CompCams 282S, A3 heads), with Edel A331, Roush A331, and FunnelWeb
>>>>4V intakes.
>>>>
>>>>I'm also interested in the A351/B351 intakes. They look like they're
>>>>made like the Strip Dominator.  I'm curious how they perform.  I'm
>>>>probably not curious enough to fork over $500 to buy one, but maybe
>>>>I will once I resolve my FunnelWeb curiosity.
>>>
>>>In addition to the A331's you already have, I have both B351 and D351
>>>intakes here.  To my eye, there isn't much difference between the A331
>>>and the B351 (both Roush versions).  The primary difference is the A331
>>>has the end seal shape for 351C blocks while the B351 has the overhang
>>>for Cleveland, Windsor and race blocks.  However, there is a functional
>>>difference between the D351 (Edelbrock) and the A331 or B351.  If you
>>>look at the plenum floor of th A331 and B351, they are high with the
>>>runners sloping downwards.  The D351 has a lower plenum floor with less
>>>slope runners.  According to the Motorsport catalog, the D351 was a
>>>short track intake and the B351 a speedway intake.
>>>
>>>I would be willing to loan the intakes out for your dyno test.
>>>The other intake that fits your combo is the Edelbrock Victor AHII.
>>>I have one those, too.  It's currently unavailable but might be
>>>available by the time you do your dyno test.
>>>
>>>Speaking of dyno tests, I have one coming up soon for a 408C and
>>>would like to compare a full length set of 4V headers (perhaps from
>>>a Mustang or similar vehicle) against the usual Pantera headers.
>>>I have a couple sets of Pantera headers.  Anyone have a set of
>>>full length headers they'd be willing to loan out?
>>>
>>>Dan Jones
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