[DeTomaso] Intake Manifolds

Thu Nov 2 19:33:32 EST 2006

Why is it Donny, that every time I'm around you the air smells like SULPHUR 
..... maybe I'll start referring to you as " Donny  Devil " ( hee, hee .. 
grin .. )

Later, Ron ..

>From: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>
>To: "Daniel C Jones" <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>,<detomaso at realbig.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Intake Manifolds
>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:45:27 -0800
>
>The only non imperical input I can offer, is that I currently run a Strip 
>Dominator on some CC iron heads that flow 305CFM @ 600lift on a 4inch bore. 
>626 Solid roller... It is wicked strong from 3600-7000 RPM.  I ran this 
>intake with a much milder cam on my old engine and it was every bit as good 
>on the bottom as the POS dual plane Performer I took off that started 
>weezing at 5000 RPM.
>
>That said, I bracket race another brand.  My findings on intake swaps 
>between known tested reviewed good aftermarket intakes is there is just not 
>that much on the table.  The only real data I would conclude from is the 
>same engine, same dyno, same day tests...........If that is what your 
>measuring a decision on.
>
>My obeservation on the intakes being discussed (Funnel Web-Blue Thunder 
>etc) for the Cleveland is that most of them are clearly patterned after the 
>Strip Dominator, give or take some minor port size changes, and some newer 
>voodoo down in the runners.  They appear hair splitting simular.  The Strip 
>Dominator can be updated anyway you want with a port stuffer kit.....and 
>modyfying runners with epoxy or a grinder.   I believe these others are 
>patterned after the Strip Dominator for a good reason.  In its time it was 
>legendary and proven, there was not a better performing intake made for the 
>Cleveland.
>
>To this non emperical end, what I am suggesting short of the fancy alumunum 
>heads that require a special intake to match them, buy a used Strip 
>Dominator, you will not only save alot of money, but will like the 
>performance it offers for a street car. If we were running a top fuel 
>dragster some of this hair splitting would be more meaningful....... If you 
>want every last inch of power or torque out of an intake..simply modify it 
>to your liking....
>
>I think Ron Larsen is still licking his ass for selling me his Strip 
>Dominator..............It was one of the better bang for $150 I ever 
>spent.............And that is why I am reccomending it.
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel C Jones" 
><daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
>To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:53 AM
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Intake Manifolds
>
>
>>>How might the Parker Funnelweb fit into this.
>>
>>The Funnelweb is a reduced port cross section designed to be used with a
>>set of matching cylinder head port stuffers that both raise the intake 
>>port
>>floors and narrow the ports.  Theoretically, that will allow the engine to
>>have a wider torque band that the Strip Dominator.
>>
>>>This article (may not have been a fair test?) showed that it outperformed
>>>the Strip Dominator over 4,000 RPM:
>>
>>Notice the Funnelweb is taller than the Strip Dominator.  One of the guys
>>on the Cleveland forum presented the results of a test with several of
>>the Aussie intakes and a Strip Dominator.  The results followed intake
>>manifold height with the tallest intake making the best peak power.
>>IIRC, the spread was not as large as in the FrodMuscle test.  It's 
>>possible
>>that a 2" carb spacer on a Strip Dominator would make up much of the
>>difference, at least on the top end.  Be aware that Terry made several
>>iterations of the Funnelweb.  Presumably the later versions are better.
>>
>>>I'm interested in trying a FunnelWeb 4V on my A3 heads.  It looks like
>>>it's shaped like a Roush A331 with A3 sized ports.
>>
>>The ports are somehwat less wide than A3.  I know someone who has one
>>and might be able to get the port info from him, if you'd like.
>>
>>>The dyno session I want to do is my engine (stock 351C short block,
>>>CompCams 282S, A3 heads), with Edel A331, Roush A331, and FunnelWeb
>>>4V intakes.
>>>
>>>I'm also interested in the A351/B351 intakes. They look like they're
>>>made like the Strip Dominator.  I'm curious how they perform.  I'm
>>>probably not curious enough to fork over $500 to buy one, but maybe
>>>I will once I resolve my FunnelWeb curiosity.
>>
>>In addition to the A331's you already have, I have both B351 and D351
>>intakes here.  To my eye, there isn't much difference between the A331
>>and the B351 (both Roush versions).  The primary difference is the A331
>>has the end seal shape for 351C blocks while the B351 has the overhang
>>for Cleveland, Windsor and race blocks.  However, there is a functional
>>difference between the D351 (Edelbrock) and the A331 or B351.  If you
>>look at the plenum floor of th A331 and B351, they are high with the
>>runners sloping downwards.  The D351 has a lower plenum floor with less
>>slope runners.  According to the Motorsport catalog, the D351 was a
>>short track intake and the B351 a speedway intake.
>>
>>I would be willing to loan the intakes out for your dyno test.
>>The other intake that fits your combo is the Edelbrock Victor AHII.
>>I have one those, too.  It's currently unavailable but might be
>>available by the time you do your dyno test.
>>
>>Speaking of dyno tests, I have one coming up soon for a 408C and
>>would like to compare a full length set of 4V headers (perhaps from
>>a Mustang or similar vehicle) against the usual Pantera headers.
>>I have a couple sets of Pantera headers.  Anyone have a set of
>>full length headers they'd be willing to loan out?
>>
>>Dan Jones
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