[DeTomaso] wheels
Thomas Borcich
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Wed Jul 26 01:26:56 EDT 2006
Thanks very much!
Best regards,
Tom Borcich
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] wheels
Aldan shocks are color coded. They will have stripe(s) on one of the collars. I'm told that their website lists the color codes so you can determine your spring rates. If it's not on their website....just call them and tell them what you have.
John
pantdino at aol.com<mailto:pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
Regarding not knowing what spring rates you have: When I spoke to the folks at Aldan last year I got the impression they keep records of what they sell to whom, so if you know the previous owner's name and number you could probably find out what you have. If he ordered them personally they'll have a listing for him, while if he got them from one of the retailers Aldan will know what that retailer specifies.
When I spoke to them we were both amazed that the spring rates ordered by Pantera owners and retailers varied all over the map, so you can't assume anything.
Jim
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Sent: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] wheels
Tom:
There will never be a shortage of good 16 inch tires. Check out the 88 different brand and styles of tires available from Tirerack in 225/50/16 alone. There where only a precious few cars ever fitted with 27 inch tall tires like the Pantera and the tire industry has changed dramatically over the past 30 years to lower profile tires with larger wheels for much improved ride and predictable handling. There were only 3 different manufactures that made tall enough high speed tires over the years for the Pantera vs the dozens of manufactures making 24-25 inch tires for the dozens of cars on the market today. So don't let false speculation influence your decision. Choose the size and style you like best that provides you with the ride and handling you want. Don't forget the wider the front tire the more steering effort is required and the more high speed wandering will be noticed.
Paul
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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] wheels
> Jim,
>
> You have it right...there are many variables. Problem is my stock car has > stock sway bars, but has new Billet Aldan shocks...I'm not sure what the > spring rates are compared to stock, I have assumed that they are very > close to the stock spring rate.
>
> I am now leaning toward 18's rear, 17's front because what I am hearing is > that the 16's will probably go the way of the 15's really soon. What I'm > also hearing is that a 285 to 300 tire size will allow the car to over > steer under power and won't push or over steer with a neutral throttle. > Maybe a bigger or adjustable sway bar will give me the traits I want. I > first need to find out what spring rates are and then do a little skid pad > test. That would actually be quite a bit of fun for all the Pantera club > members to do...where can we find a skid pad to use???
>
> Tom Borcich
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>
>
> i don't claim to know a lot about this stuff, but I do know that handling > balance involves looking at the front and rear suspensions as SYSTEMS. > Tire size and type is only one variable, the others being (at least) sway > bar size, spring rate, and ride height.
>
> So knowing that a person is happy with a certain size tire is meaningless > to you unless you know the other variables, as using those tires on YOUR > car may make it understeer like a pig or tail-happy. We should probably > get in the habit of listing those other variables when we respond, as it > would be much more helpful.
>
> My car is basically stock ride height (spacers removed), stock L springs > and shocks, w 17" diam front 8" wide, rear 10" wide wheels and 285/40-17 > rear, 215/45-17 front tires, stock L sway bars. It handles like I want it > to for the street--it understeers a bit, but that's better than EVER > having oversteer on the street, when you never know what may be around the > corner.
>
> Jim Oddie
>
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> Sent: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 3:09 PM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] wheels
>
>
> I run 15x10 in the front (285/40/15) and 15x14 (345/35/15) in the rear. > With
> a proper suspension alignment it drives like a dream both on and off the
> track. I use the PI billet setup. Highly recommend it.
>
> ;)
>
> Greg
>
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> Behalf Of PEDRO MARTINI
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> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] wheels
>
> Same experience Jay. Agree with your analysis. Maybe if you are Dennis
> Quella or Greg Esakoff you can handle the added rubber on the back of your
> Pantera otherwise here's one more reason to consider adding taller and
> narrower wheels. There is a decreasing supply of 15-16" W,Y or Z rated
> tires. The availability of 15" tires to fit the Pantea is aready all most
> history. Even high speed 16" tires are becoming harder to find.
> PM
>
>>From: JAYTCREC at aol.com
>>To: Tborcich at msn.com
>>CC: detomaso at realbig.com
>>Subject: [DeTomaso] wheels
>>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:52:06 EDT
>>
>>Hello and Congratulations
>>Almost everyone goes with the 11" rears. I had them in a Compomotive 5
>>spoke and used 315/35 tires and then I sold them because I didn't like >>the
>
>>car's
>>handling with them on - too much understeer especially at street speeds.
>>The
>>car was more of a chore to drive!
>>I drive a "street car" 1972 pre-L now with 106,000 miles on it.
>>I called M at PE and asked for 9.5" rears but at that time he was not >>sure
>>of the backspace and later I called Bobby Byars at Precision Proformance
>>and
>>had the wheels custom ordered. They fit perfectly and do not stick out
>>from
>>the fenders like (some of) the 11"ers.
>>I run a 285/40x17 rear and the car drives beautifully. This size also
>>costs
>>less than the 335s, especially if you are going to wear them out on a
>>quick
>>basis. If you get 18 inchers then the tires will probably cost more. I
>>have
>>the 8x17 on the front with 235/40x17 tires. You can go with 16" fronts >>if
>>you like.
>>Just so you know, the Byars wheels (which are made by Boyd Coddington)
>>differ from the others which differ among themselves. I like them and
>>cannot say
>>if the others are "better."
>>All of the designs look good to me.
>>Take a look at the tire and wheel sizes run on all of the super new cars
>>(Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborgini, Corvette). On the "street" models the >>rears
>
>> are
>>closer to 285. Even the new Ford GT uses only 315s on the rear. Except
>>the
>>audacious Viper which was running 335s.
>>My opinion about the 9.5" rears is in the minority however among Pantera
>>owners. So, do what you like most and be happy.
>>Jay Curreri
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